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Post by archer on Jan 13, 2022 16:33:49 GMT -5
There are ways that folks can deal with this ongoing inflation that is the highest in 4 decades......so....shop at the Dollar store and bargain stores like the Salvation Army and Goodwill. Gabe I pick up a good deal at the Salvy every once in awhile. I bought a large suitcase that has lasted me over 10 years and paid about $3.00 for it. I bought a little space heater about the same time for $1.00. Still runs like a champ. My personal inflation is less than 2% and mostly because of price of gas at the pump which tends to go up and down every year anyway. I haven't eaten at a restaurant since Covid. The other main inflation driver is real estate/rents, and car prices. Both are NA for me. I will probably buy a new car in 5-10 years though.
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Post by youth1 on Jan 13, 2022 16:34:53 GMT -5
There are ways that folks can deal with this ongoing inflation that is the highest in 4 decades......so....shop at the Dollar store and bargain stores like the Salvation Army and Goodwill. Gabe Remember what happened to Marie Antoinette when she said "Let them eat cake." I don't think thrift store shopping is the answer Gabe! Perhaps a partial answer? Gabe
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Post by Sara on Jan 13, 2022 16:38:54 GMT -5
Remember what happened to Marie Antoinette when she said "Let them eat cake." I don't think thrift store shopping is the answer Gabe! Perhaps a partial answer? Gabe Of course Americans can tighten their belts. But unless wages are keeping up, inflation can be a burden, particularly for those who have many mouths to feed, clothe, transport, keep healthy, educate, and house.
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Post by jongaltiii on Jan 13, 2022 18:04:15 GMT -5
Perhaps a partial answer? Gabe Of course Americans can tighten their belts. But unless wages are keeping up, inflation can be a burden, particularly for those who have many mouths to feed, clothe, transport, keep healthy, educate, and house. @sara … “But unless wages are keeping up, inflation can be a burden” <— You are 100% correct. That said, wage increases are already a foregone conclusion. Of course they will keep up. If they don’t, employment will continue to worsen. Wage increases are already being realized across all industries in the U.S. It’s the last thing I’m worried about: Will wages keep pace with inflation? Who isn’t increasing wages these days? McDonalds to Wal Mart to Amazon to Apple… everyone is increasing wages. Everyone. What impact that will have on profits and the market…that’s a different discussion. Edit /add: Now that I read other posts that you were replying to… I do understand why you responded that way. I am just not worried that we will fail to increase wages, it’s already happening in a big way.
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Post by Capital on Jan 13, 2022 18:04:55 GMT -5
Inflation will continue at this rate until the Summer. Rate increases is necessary.Gabe If they are going to charge me more, I wish they would pay me more on my checking account.
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Post by Capital on Jan 13, 2022 18:07:40 GMT -5
Perhaps a partial answer? Gabe Of course Americans can tighten their belts. But unless wages are keeping up, inflation can be a burden, particularly for those who have many mouths to feed, clothe, transport, keep healthy, educate, and house. Case in point - how do I tell my teenage boys to eat less
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Post by archer on Jan 13, 2022 18:12:52 GMT -5
Of course Americans can tighten their belts. But unless wages are keeping up, inflation can be a burden, particularly for those who have many mouths to feed, clothe, transport, keep healthy, educate, and house. Case in point - how do I tell my teenage boys to eat less Too late for this season, but maybe next year see if they might want to join the school wrestling team. I remember we always had to loose 10-15% of our weight in one month to get into a low a weight class as possible.
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Post by jongaltiii on Jan 13, 2022 18:18:44 GMT -5
Case in point - how do I tell my teenage boys to eat less Too late for this season, but maybe next year see if they might want to join the school wrestling team. I remember we always had to loose 10-15% of our weight in one month to get into a low a weight class as possible. Sorry archer … your post deserved more than a thumbs up. That was one funny/witty post.
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Post by youth1 on Jan 13, 2022 18:20:56 GMT -5
Wages are exceptionally high as most employees are getting the wage they demand. As an example, my son cannot find help in the back offices of his medical practice and was forced to "farm" out his clerical stuff to the Philippines who charge $9.00 per hour.
Gabe
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Post by intruder1 on Jan 13, 2022 19:23:14 GMT -5
Wages are exceptionally high as most employees are getting the wage they demand. As an example, my son cannot find help in the back offices of his medical practice and was forced to "farm" out his clerical stuff to the Philippines who charge $9.00 per hour. Gabe While inflation is at 30 year high of 7%, wages are only up 4.7% over last 12 months. Farming out back office work to foreign companies has been going on since 2001 because internet allows for instant delivery of documents. Law and accounting firms send research and document work to India and Ireland to cut costs.
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Post by richardsok on Jan 13, 2022 20:02:00 GMT -5
Headline today: the average new car now costs $47,000. Even used cars average $27,000 now.
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Post by FD1000 on Jan 13, 2022 21:22:24 GMT -5
Headline today: the average new car now costs $47,000. Even used cars average $27,000 now. BS. Most customers spend less than that. Toyota had the highest sales in the USA Corolla LE (most popular)=$21K Camry SE (most popular)=$28K Rav4 XLE (most popular)=$31K Highlander XLE (most popular)=$43K Sure, if you factor all the showoff/snob luxury vehicles + big trucks then you get this number. This( link) is the highest selling vehicles in the USA in 2021. If you eliminate all the big trucks, number 4,5,6 are Toyota Rav4, Honda CRV, Camry. The average of these 3 for the most popular models is 30K.
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Post by Poorfolio on Jan 13, 2022 21:56:43 GMT -5
Headline today: the average new car now costs $47,000. Even used cars average $27,000 now. Probably the average truck. Dealers should include escalators to climb the bed of those things.
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Post by youth1 on Jan 13, 2022 22:58:06 GMT -5
I frequent the Dollar Tree Store....I was told by the manager that the store will charge $1.25 or a bit more starting the end of the month. I am told that the products would be "better"....ie. brand names.
Gabe
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Post by archer on Jan 14, 2022 11:16:24 GMT -5
Headline today: the average new car now costs $47,000. Even used cars average $27,000 now. BS. Most customers spend less than that. Toyota had the highest sales in the USA Corolla LE (most popular)=$21K Camry SE (most popular)=$28K Rav4 XLE (most popular)=$31K Highlander XLE (most popular)=$43K Sure, if you factor all the showoff/snob luxury vehicles + big trucks then you get this number. This( link) is the highest selling vehicles in the USA in 2021. If you eliminate all the big trucks, number 4,5,6 are Toyota Rav4, Honda CRV, Camry. The average of these 3 for the most popular models is 30K. A friend of my ex recently bought a new Rav4. She had to wait awhile for it and had to pay $4K over MSRP. She shopped several dealers and non of them would even consider bargaining. The dealers have no need to with the current supply/demand. A couple years ago when it came to price all you had to do was hesitate and the price would come down. THEN you could start serious negotiation and get another thousand or more off. There is a Honda dealer near me that used to always keep several hundred cars on their lot. The past year when I drive buy their lot only has about 50-100 cars on it. This must be tough on the dealers because much of their overhead is unchanged.
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Post by Poorfolio on Jan 14, 2022 12:55:31 GMT -5
Keep you jalopy running.
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Post by youth1 on Jan 14, 2022 13:32:26 GMT -5
It's a rough life if you don't weaken! Gabe
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Post by FD1000 on Jan 14, 2022 18:48:49 GMT -5
BS. Most customers spend less than that. Toyota had the highest sales in the USA Corolla LE (most popular)=$21K Camry SE (most popular)=$28K Rav4 XLE (most popular)=$31K Highlander XLE (most popular)=$43K Sure, if you factor all the showoff/snob luxury vehicles + big trucks then you get this number. This( link) is the highest selling vehicles in the USA in 2021. If you eliminate all the big trucks, number 4,5,6 are Toyota Rav4, Honda CRV, Camry. The average of these 3 for the most popular models is 30K. A friend of my ex recently bought a new Rav4. She had to wait awhile for it and had to pay $4K over MSRP. She shopped several dealers and non of them would even consider bargaining. The dealers have no need to with the current supply/demand. A couple years ago when it came to price all you had to do was hesitate and the price would come down. THEN you could start serious negotiation and get another thousand or more off. There is a Honda dealer near me that used to always keep several hundred cars on their lot. The past year when I drive buy their lot only has about 50-100 cars on it. This must be tough on the dealers because much of their overhead is unchanged. My next vehicles will probably be Toyota, I hope my current one (15 years old, second one is younger) can go another 1-2 years. I'm waiting for more normal prices. I always paid under invoice. I love to negotiate. I always bought vehicles that are not in high demand and/or good inventory and competition. Think Camry, Sienna, Accord, Odyssey. I have 7 dealerships for each (Toyota,Honda) within 30-40 minutes drive, all negotiations are done thru emails with only one number, drive out price. I got a lot of patience. After I get the best price, I drive in. If the price is one cent higher, I leave, never happened.
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Post by richardsok on Jan 14, 2022 19:11:29 GMT -5
I've long thought today's cars are needlessly appointed and over-complicated with technology & features I don't want. For my wife's use and for long distance travel I have a late model Acura SUV. But for local trips (or when I'm driving alone) I swear by my 2001 Honda CR-V.... and even that has ridiculous power windows.
When I bought our 2nd home in Florida I bought an Infiniti G37 convertible, but more and more I feel ridiculous driving to Walmart or some flea market in it. It's just the sort of overwrought beast my father would have driven -- except the Infiniti is worse with its preposterous computer screen.
With car prices so high, I may try to sell it and get something simpler if I can find a low mileage older car. I really like the old 1990 vintage Mercedes 190e 2.6 (the 6-cyl baby Benz). None around that I can see. Probably will settle for something Japanese.
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Post by 51hh on Jan 14, 2022 19:39:42 GMT -5
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Post by archer on Jan 14, 2022 20:36:10 GMT -5
FD1000, Thanks for the tip on email negotiations. I'll have to try that next time. The last new car I bought I dragged it out 3 hours until they were about to close and then I told them "Its time for dinner, I'll be back tomorrow". Next day it was another 2 hours to get my price. It was most enjoyable.
Richardsok, I agree with the cars being overly complicated, especially with all the electronics. I had a '73 Karmann Ghia that I restored and upgraded. Nothing could go wrong with it that I couldn't take care of myself, even a blown engine. Probably the simplest car ever made... next to a soap box cars. :-)
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Post by mani4 on Jan 15, 2022 11:40:20 GMT -5
Headline today: the average new car now costs $47,000. Even used cars average $27,000 now. BS. Most customers spend less than that. Toyota had the highest sales in the USA Corolla LE (most popular)=$21K Camry SE (most popular)=$28K Rav4 XLE (most popular)=$31K Highlander XLE (most popular)=$43K I don't think we need to remind on such a site that average is not median... So yes, MOST spend less than that. That said it is a crazy number and the way it's calculated hasn't changed (to my knowledge). Just peak at classified for trucks and be ready to sit down. It's borderline hilarious.
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Post by brocksamson on Jan 15, 2022 16:34:10 GMT -5
FD1000, Thanks for the tip on email negotiations. I'll have to try that next time. The last new car I bought I dragged it out 3 hours until they were about to close and then I told them "Its time for dinner, I'll be back tomorrow". Next day it was another 2 hours to get my price. It was most enjoyable. Richardsok, I agree with the cars being overly complicated, especially with all the electronics. I had a '73 Karmann Ghia that I restored and upgraded. Nothing could go wrong with it that I couldn't take care of myself, even a blown engine. Probably the simplest car ever made... next to a soap box cars. :-) The tech in cars is rather cheap these days with the screens merely being an extension of one's smartphone. For instance one does not even need nav, it is already on their phone. The wife's new ride we bought in Feb 2021 in anticipation of the chip shortage. I found a local dealer that was willing to offer near invoice over the phone and I didn't even provide a deposit. They ordered it exactly as I specified, and we did not even meet until the day we picked it up. The upside was that my trade-in had gone way up in price between the time we ordered the new car and it arrived at the dealer. After showing them the online offers that I received that day, we arrived at a very equitable trade-in price. It was 5 years old, but low mileage and I got about 90% of what I paid for it originally. Timing is everything. And like all things, being well-informed is often key. The car that I drive myself (a 2010), I bought used in early 2011 for about what a new Camry costs today. Full size, fully loaded and AWD with around 400 HP. It had things that were cutting edge at that time, like adaptive cruise, heated/cooled seats, blind spot monitors, massaging seats (!), auto climate and collision warning/brake assist. Great ride and at 124,000 miles I still enjoy driving it. I still do my own work and it has never been in a shop, since warranty ran out. So, it has been a cost effective vehicle. The thing with automotive electronics today is that it only takes a few sensors and a few lines of code to add features that appear gee-whiz. Take anti-lock brakes, add a few sensors and lines of code and you have traction control and stability control. Add a drive-by-wire throttle body and a few more sensors and you have adaptive cruise and automatic braking. Add a few more sensors and a small processor and a few servos and you have auto climate control. It all seems daunting, but the parts are actually quite cheap. And versus purely mechanical solutions, you gain function, lose weight and even simplify. Things like CANBUS allow digital control signals and reduce wiring significantly. Most of this stuff actually requires little user input, most is set and forget. Soon it will all be transparent and mostly controlled via voice command. The switches that can be so confusing will be gone and, when required, everything will be done via the touch screen or speech recognition. We are in early stages. Even so, I find the driver assist features quite useful. Our newest vehicle will maintain speed and lane position, and brake if necessary, even if looking down to adjust a function. My wife is no tech geek, but she has figured out how to use most of it.
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Post by FD1000 on Jan 16, 2022 14:04:54 GMT -5
FD1000, Thanks for the tip on email negotiations. I'll have to try that next time. The last new car I bought I dragged it out 3 hours until they were about to close and then I told them "Its time for dinner, I'll be back tomorrow". Next day it was another 2 hours to get my price. It was most enjoyable. Richardsok, I agree with the cars being overly complicated, especially with all the electronics. I had a '73 Karmann Ghia that I restored and upgraded. Nothing could go wrong with it that I couldn't take care of myself, even a blown engine. Probably the simplest car ever made... next to a soap box cars. :-) In the old days, I knew exactly what vehicle I want. I made sure the dealer has it and show up at 8:30 PM just 30 minutes before closing. Just for the game I come in with a thermos full of coffee and a cooler with food. I would start the negotiation fully pumped up and let them know I'm ready to stay all night. In most cases, negotiations were done by 9:15. The next step is the most important, talking to the finance manager, the most dangerous guy in the dealership. All my numbers and calculation were ready in advance and/or I was ready to use my calculator. I always had a very low finance deal from my credit union but the dealer always came up with a better one. We were both happy. I always finance all the big items with low rates, while my invested money made a lot more. Only one time, the dealer was stubborn, my wife laughed at the dealer hours earlier and told him, nobody breaks him. We finally signed at 1 PM. Several years later, I came for my next vehicle. The dealer knew me right away and ended the negotiation in 15 minutes saying "with you, there is no point, I rather be done and go home". The third time, it was by emailed. He just emailed me back and said the vehicle is ready for me, just come and get it. For decades now, I buy Honda LX and Toyota LE. It includes all the most important automation without the luxury, basically Goldilocks. I buy only new vehicles since used ones hold their price very well and it's not worth buying them. For my kids, we only bought big massive used cheap American cars (never SUV) with reasonable reliability, mostly used Chevy Lumina or Taurus which cost half of Honda but were heavier. They had several accidents with their cars, including total loss, and these vehicles saved their lives + no injuries. Twice they were hit by other big vehicles(Minivan + Lincoln) at 50 MPH. If they drove Civic,Rav4, CRV in that time when these vehicles were even smaller than today, they would be injured or worse. This is the reason I don't drive small cars or take a ride in them. I have a friend who love his Miata, we drive together weekly to play Bridge, I always use my Minivan. It's just simple physics. I have zero emotions, just like investments, about a vehicle. It's a box with 4 wheels that needs to serve me from point A to B. It has to be very reliable, safe, cheap to own after all expenses and do most other things pretty good. You just can't beat a Toyota. Honda reliability went down over the years while Toyota stayed high and closed the gap for fun driving.
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Post by newzg on Jan 16, 2022 14:34:03 GMT -5
Inflation, no emotions, minivans - my head hurts..
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Post by archer on Jan 16, 2022 14:54:32 GMT -5
When buying a new car, the finance guy is the one I least like to deal with because once I've naggled the sales person down I just want to go home. The first new car I bought that wasn't on my father in laws "Z" plan (he was a Ford engineer and had a special discount and sales treatment), was a 2007 Prius. My wife was on a trip so the dealer picked me up at my house to take me to the dealer to close the deal. Big mistake! The finance guy dragged things out because without showing up in my own car I was a captive. Next new car went better. The finance guy gave me another $1500 discount if I used his financing which was subbed out to another loan company. When it came time to make my first payment I called the loan company and paid off the entire loan.
My daughter wants to buy a new car sometime this year and has been waiting to pay off some loans which she has now paid. Unfortunately she is now faced with inflated prices and increasing interest rates.
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Post by FD1000 on Jan 16, 2022 18:24:55 GMT -5
Inflation, no emotions, minivans - my head hurts.. As usual, non-informational post.
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Post by Sara on Jan 17, 2022 8:18:02 GMT -5
@rforno
If you have time, can you move the very recent useful tips on buying vehicles to their own thread under General Discussion. Thank you!
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Post by Sara on Jan 27, 2022 6:11:23 GMT -5
Market is now pricing in 5 rate hikes. No surprise as far as I'm concerned and expect more based on level of money supply growth. Something could change to bring down inflation (other than Fed actions) I guess, but seems that would be an exception.
Edit - estimates from Siegel to control present rate of money supply growth to be consistent with Fed target inflation is a Fed funds rate of 2%. This is just a projected math equation, so take it as that - an estimate. If it doesn't happen this year, the concept is inflation will be higher than target - nothing more. If money supply growth decelerates/accelerates more than the equation calls for, outcomes change.
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Post by intruder1 on Jan 27, 2022 13:08:49 GMT -5
Market is now pricing in 5 rate hikes. No surprise as far as I'm concerned and expect more based on level of money supply growth. Something could change to bring down inflation (other than Fed actions) I guess, but seems that would be an exception. Edit - estimates from Siegel to control present rate of money supply growth to be consistent with Fed target inflation is a Fed funds rate of 2%. This is just a projected math equation, so take it as that - an estimate. If it doesn't happen this year, the concept is inflation will be higher than target - nothing more. If money supply growth decelerates/accelerates more than the equation calls for, outcomes change. There are other Fed policy changes than will reduce number of interest rate changes. Fed moved up end of QE to March from June and Fed has announced that it will reduce its $9T balance sheet by up to $3T over 3 years beginning in 2022.
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